Polk County paramedics warn against privatization
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Polk County emergency medical technicians contacted The Cedartown Standard on Monday, claiming that county commissioners are considering the possibility of contracting out with a private ambulance firm.

This would be a mistake, said George Oxenreider, an EMT-paramedic with Polk County Emergency Medical Services. He dropped off a written statement.

“I am not a politician or a businessman, but I do believe that privatization of our ambulance service by an outside organization is a bad idea,” Oxenreider said. “I do not believe the ‘pros’ will outweigh the ‘cons’ per se, if Floyd, Redmond or some other agency becomes the new ambulance provider in our county.”

There was no immediate comment available from Polk County government officials. County Manger Clinton Lester was out of the office this afternoon. Newspaper staff is seeking a response and will post those comments when they become available.

Oxenreider said that Polk County EMTs are concerned about the possible move to privatize what they feel is an efficient and effective service.

“As a citizen and employee of Polk County, I feel it is my duty to inform the people that our Polk County Board of Commissioners are considering extending a call for bids to area emergency medical service agencies for ambulance coverage in Polk County,” Oxenreider said.

“We have been told that as of right now all of these talks are currently “under the table” so as not to attract public attention,” he said. “So in short order your ambulance service could be privatized by an outside agency, taking away your voice and mine as to how these services are provided.”

Oxenreider added that he holds county commissioners "in the highest regard and understand that they have a tough job and have to make difficult choices."

However, he added, "this is one choice that we at Polk EMS will not stand by silently and watch unfold."

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WHATJERKS!!
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May 22, 2009
JUST FYI I HAVE WORKE AT BOTH HOSPITALS AND THEY WILL BOTH WRITE ACCOUNTS OFF DUR TO POVERTY AND THEY BOTH WORK WITH COUNTY RESOURCES TO SREEN PEOPLE FOR ASSITANCE PROGRAAMS AND SUCH THE ONLY DIFFRENCE I SAW PERSONALLY BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT REDMOND WILL HOUND THEIR PATIENTS TO SET UP A PAYMENT PLAN, WHICH PEOPLE SHOULD DO ANYWAY. WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE THINK HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE, OR THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT? I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS HAS BOILED DOWN TO IS THAT POLK RESIDENTS ABUSE OUR AMBULANCE SERVICE WITH NO INTENTION OF PAYING AND IT HAS DRAINED COUNTY RESOURCES, BUT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE HAVE TAX DOLLARS FOR- AMBULANCE SERVICES CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A BIG CASH CROP, SO WHY WAS THE BOC CRYING ABOUT IT AND TRYING TO DUMP THEM OFF, THAT IS A PUBLIC SERVICE...WTF?
realitycheckpmc
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May 06, 2009
squad51- I do know you and personally think your one of the best medics in the region. Just hated seeing you take that road agaisnt Floyd when it was the Commissioners of thas county that were hanging the employees out to dry not Floyd trying to take over the service. I'm sure Floyd would love to have the service just as Redmond is. The truth of the matter is that it has happened, Nothing we can do about it. I'm happy the service is going to Redmond. Maybe the residents will get the service and community support they need and deserve. Not that Polk Ems wasn't doing the best they could with what they had to work with. As in equipment...Not employees!
squad51
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May 06, 2009
realitycheckpmc-I would guess that the pmc part stands for Polk Medical Center but yet you use Polk General in your comment and you need to check your spelling of control. Apparently you think you know me but you are so far off base that you are in left field, I am just a supporter of Polk EMS and did not want Floyd to get the contract. I would be delighted to see Redmond put an ambulance at Polk Medical but since you seem to be in the know why would it be only the patients with insurance and only to Redmond? The EMS director is not Voted on but I will be happy to accept cash contributions YOU would like to make! You're right-YOUR BAD!!!
realitycheckpmc
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May 05, 2009
Here is my thought....Squad51 thought he would be the next Director of Polk EMS....or maybe He is rebelling the change He would have to personally make to work for a structured service. Have you ever stopped to think that Redmond controlls Polk General....If Floyd did get the contract, Redmond would probably put an ambulance at the Hospital to transfer the patients with insurance to Redmond Hospital. Oh wait that would put atleast one extra ambulance in town. I forgot all this is to hurt the citizens not help them. My Bad!

Please Vote "Squad51" Polk Ems Director!
squad51
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May 05, 2009
fishcreekgal:You may or may not know but the two school board members are employed at Floyd EMS, well if Floyd gets the EMS contract then at all POLK school athletic events guess who gets the free advertisement-FLOYD, seems like that would be a conflict. One more for you- our current Polk County Commission Chairman has a nephew who is employed at Floyd EMS, it is the chairman's picture that appears with FLOYD EMS representatives, is this a conflict? There is four FORMER Polk EMS employees now working at Floyd EMS, one is a shift Captain and another is the training officer another one is the former asst. Polk County manager, they would like nothing better than to take over Polk and it seems like they have some backing somewhere in Polk County govertment. As for the school events and Christmas parades, you can have your idea about that, mine is that this was the beginning, the foot in the door so to speak!

If we can't keep Polk EMS, let's keep politics out of it and as BUZZ says:" might as well be Redmond!"

Buzz
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May 05, 2009
If they don't get the Tax one way, they will get it the other, so it might as well be on the EMS from Redmond.
BOLEG
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May 05, 2009
IF THE AMBULANCE SERVICE IS PRIVATIZE MEANS MORE TAX OUT OF YOUR POCKETS WE HAVE A GOOD ONE THE WAY IT IS I KNOW I USE THEM QUITE OFTEN BOWLEG
Nurse30153
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May 05, 2009
Redmond did beat Floyd and several other EMS services to win 2008 EMS service of the year award.
Buzz
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May 05, 2009
I would personally like to see Floyd or Redmond get the EMS in Polk County. Go ahead and FLAME AWAY?
fishcreekgal
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May 05, 2009
squad51: I don't understand why you are so upset about Floyd EMS being in the Christmas parade, or at field day, or at career day. Career day seems like an excellent idea. It'd be a great way to introduce children to the idea of becoming an EMT or something else in the medical profession. As for field day appearances, I'm sure that's for similar reasons as career day. And as for the parades, anybody who applies can participate in the parade. Shriners come from all over the state for the Homespun; Volunteer Firefighters from across the county participate; politicians who service this county and other counties participate; why can't the EMS who sometimes service this county, who most likely have relatives in this county, who may even live in this county, participate in whatever they choose to? Their participation in county events is not a conspiracy they've been working on for years to squeeze into overthrowing our county-run EMS. I don't want to see our county EMS turned over to another company. I like and trust the people we have now. But this is not a conspiracy against the people of Polk County. This is a business decision being made based upon facts. If you don't like the idea, then do like I did and sign one of the petitions at many of the local businesses. Or do like many are probably planning on doing and show up to the next commissioner's meeting to tell them you don't like it. Sure, they don't have to listen. But they're not gonna risk angering the majority of the county by voting for something we're all against. That's one thing politicians pay attention to: how the voters feel. Particularly if they want to be reelected.
squad51
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May 05, 2009
tennisgirl-What is your interest in having Floyd here?

Floyd Medical Center has invested in Polk County because they want to CONTROL the medical business in Polk County not because they care. You mention-Desire, you're right, their desire is to use the EMS as a stepping stone to get to bigger things in Polk County and our commissioners either don't care or are trying to assist Floyd in their efforts.

You most likely would be one of the first on the band wagon to call the commissioners and complain if a Polk County ambulance was in ANY parade or at any event outside of this county.

These people I am referring to just might be good people but until our commissioners announce their decision and sign the contracts, we do not need to be force fed Floyd Medical Center EMS on the citizens and children of Polk County. The fact that they are on the school board and are using the schools to promote their agenda and place of employment does not sit well with me.

You say stick to the facts- Just what are the facts? The Polk County Commission seems to have forgotten who they serve and will not discuss the facts and we all know what the county manager's track history is on this issue. Do you know the true facts, are you close enough to one of the commissioners that you know the facts?

Maybe when election time rolls around for each and every one of these commissioners the citizens will remember that these commissioners would NOT tell the facts, would not discuss this issue and choose to keep the facts from the citizens.

Why did the Commission Chairman have to correct the county managers statements? Who in their great wisdom hatched the idea of ridding Polk County of their EMS service and talking to Floyd and Redmond and WHY? Lets get the TRUTHFUL answers to those questions if we can!
tennisgirl
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May 04, 2009
Come on squad 51 . . . lame, lame, lame!

Floyd has invested in Polk County - they have physican practices in Polk County plus Urgent Care's in Cedartown, Rockmart and Taylorsville - they can promote Floyd here if they desire - whether in an ambulance, at a Christmas Parade, in a newspaper ad or during a visit to our schools. An ambulance is a rolling billboard and I am glad they care enough to come to the Polk events and into the schools. I have seen them around here long before this ever started. Actually, I see them here everyday.

The people you are referring to are good men and care about this community - yes they have children in our schools - yes they work at Floyd EMS - yes they give back to this community through service to their fellow citizens.

And yes - I have faith that they would take excellent care of my family and yours with professionalism and care if they arrived at our door in a Floyd ambulance.

Let's stick to the facts - not insinuations toward good people who give to this community.

squad51
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May 04, 2009
Hey Montezuma-FYI, The current Polk County Commission chairman has a nephew who is a former Polk School District employee, former Polk County E.M.S. employee, a former Polk County asst. county manager and is a current employee of Floyd Medical E.M.S. employee and current Polk County School District Board Member, smells bad and gets worse. Another Floyd Medical Center E.M.S. employee is also a current Polk County School District Board member who recently had his photo taken in his FMC-EMS uniform at a groundbreaking ceremony for a new school in Polk County. Did you notice that at Christmas parades in Cerdartow and Rockmart that Floyd EMS found it necessary to put some EMs vehicles in the parade, talk has it that Floyd EMS plans on having representatives at career days at the Polk County Middle Schools and maybe even send a FMC EMS unit to field day at Eastside Elementary!

What is the reason behind the commissioners actions? The MAJORITY will NOT have a say in the decision, the deed will be done by the commissioners not the citizens! What if the vote ends in a tie(2-2), will the chairman vote withfamily ties to Floyd Medical Center EMS? Guess we will have to see how that turns out!

In answer to your two ending questions- Will the commissioners truthfully answer the first question and will the citizens get a chance to answer the second question or has the answer already been decided by the commission and not told until the meeting on May 5th,2009.
Montezuma
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April 28, 2009
So, khoward653, you are a Polk County Commissioner and know everything they know. Is this correct? You know of everything ever Polk County citizen knows and wants, correct? Since we can assume those questions would actually turn out to be false statements; we can assume that you know none of this. The people you elect represent you and your interest, and the people that win are the ones that represent the majority.

If the majority believe that someone is not doing their job, then it is the majorities duty to vote in someone that will. There is always something that is said about it; the question is will you actually get out there and say it? Either you will or you will hide in your home/officer and complain after more decision you dislike are made.

Make a choice and stand up for what you believe in. Do not try and persuade people on an internet site, they most have no direct power over such things.

I will say this, if the majority did not want their ambulance service changed, then it would not change. Of course, that would depend on two factors: Can the county afford it and does the service provide for the needs of the community. If both questions are answered with a "yes", then nothing would change.
khoward653
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April 28, 2009
The facts on hand are that our county commissioners have hid the fact that they want to sell the ambulance service out to a private service. They have lied and continue to lie about these issues. Floyd's CEO said out of his own mouth, that he was presented with the idea that the citizens of Polk County wanted Floyd to step in and take over their ambulance service and that he was told that it would be an easy take over. This is not the case, the commissioners are the ones that want them to take over, not the citizens. The ones saying that it would be an easy take-over are the ones that were sworn to keep the whole ordeal a secret. They knew the only way it would be an easy take-over was if they hid it from everyone in Polk County until it was all said and done and there was nothing they could say about it.
Montezuma
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April 25, 2009
Are you guys intentionally dense or do you just have no control over it? I never said Floyd cannot make a profit, I said they are a non-for-profit organization. Try using Google to search "not for profit" and Floyd Medical Center. Not for profit organizations are not barred from running in the black(or making a profit, for the dense). Profits for non-profits are called surpluses.

Redmond is a for-profit organization. This means that they divide their earnings to stockholders and other individuals/businesses with interest in their company. Non-profits or "not for profit" organizations must hold their earnings for future projects and may not be given to individuals or stockholders. Non-profits have to be successful to survive and continue to provide services that for-profits will not provide. If you cannot pay your bill(due to having no money, as opposed to be lazy or greedy), will Redmond write your bill off? No. Floyd will though.

Where has basic education and self-efficacy gone? This is the reason people tend to cause such problems. They are uninformed because they refuse to search out information for themselves.

Unless you have proof that Floyd is hiding money, which you do not, then do not make unsubstantiated claims you "heard from someone else". This, though, has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If Polk can save money by using an outside source for the EMT service, then by all means...do it.

I have family member that does work at the hospital, albeit at a very low level. Outside of that, I have no vested interest in Floyd's success or demise.

The terms "jumping on the band wagon" or "drinking the kool-aide" really does apply here. Do not feed on the populist ideals; come to decisions and make judgments on the facts you have in hand.
AzaleaLover
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April 25, 2009
khoward653 got it right. Floyd makes a profit, and that's a matter of public record. Look back at Rome News Tribune archives and you can see what a substantial profit Floyd makes. And the fellow who runs Floyd Medical Center has been paid bonuses that ran to over $1 million dollars for years where FMC did very well. FMC gives good service.........but they do well, very well.
khoward653
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April 24, 2009
No, they are not there to ask if the patient has insurance, however they are suppose to ask which hospital they would like to go to, unless circumstances make it to where they are unable to choose. This I know. As far as Floyd being a not for profit hospital, that is a bunch of bull. Every business is out to make a profit and they have to find ways to hide the money they made so that something isn't said about it. Look at all the millions they made last year. If they were not for profit then they wouldn't have made 11.7 million dollars last year. That sounds like a pretty good profit to me.
Montezuma
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April 24, 2009
khoward653, guess what Floyd is. They are a not for profit hospital. Redmond is a for profit hospital. Can you guess why EMTs from Floyd might take someone to Floyd? They are not there to ask the patient if they happen to have insurance, so it is better to just transport them to Floyd unless otherwise requested.

It does not take an intelligent person to figure that one out. This also is not about choosing between Floyd and Redmond. It is between either hospital in Rome and Polk Hospital. Polk has a horrible hospital and I would not wish their services to be rendered to the worst of people in this world.

As for your little scanner listening, you do not get most of the story. You do not know the exact reason for why the transport is switched. You are not present in the ambulance, you are only able to listen to most of the communication traffic with scanners.
khoward653
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April 23, 2009
The "what if" game is quite hilarious and another what if to be brought up, is what if the elected officials would have came out in the open to begin and discussed with everybody that this was their intentions, I don't think such an issue would have been made. What if when asked they didn't lie about all this. This is what ticks more people off is the fact that when asked about it, they straight out lied about the meetings when in fact there are pictures of it.
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